So what if Thomas was talking directly to Jesus? He
could still have said My Lord (referring to Jesus) and My God (referring to the Father)
in a state of shock.
If I haven't seen my mom in a long time and then out of no where she steps into the
room to surprise me and then I say "My mom and my God!" Does that mean I called
my mom my God? I exclaimed "My Mom" in realizing that the individual was
my mom and "My God" to express the shock that I felt seeing her.
RESPONSE:
Zawadi’s response basically ignores the grammatical arguments I set forth proving
that Thomas could not have been addressing anyone besides Christ. He fails to address or
interact with the point I made regarding the Greek idiom which John used, namely Apekrithe
... kai eipen auto ("answered and said to him"), and how this conclusively
shows that Thomas was addressing his comments directly to Christ.
Zawadi also commits the very chronological fallacy which I had already addressed.
It may be the case that some rare individuals today use such expressions as
"my mom and my God" — although it strikes me as highly artificial
and unnatural, even today — but that doesn’t mean that such exclamations
of surprise and shock were used during the time of Christ. We already explained that
God-fearing Jews would not speak in such a manner since they wouldn’t use God’s
name in such a flippant way. Hence, the burden of proof is upon Zawadi to show that
Bible-believing first century Jews would use God’s name this way.
Zawadi now commits the fallacy of appealing to authority:
Michaelis, a Trinitarian, writes:
I do not affirm that Thomas passed all at once from the extreme of doubt to the
highest degree of faith, and acknowledged Christ to be the true God. This appears
to me too much for the then existing knowledge of the disciples; and we have no intimation
that they recognized the divine nature of Christ before the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
I am therefore inclined to understand this expression, which broke out in the height of
his astonishment, in a figurative sense, denoting only "whom I shall ever
reverence in the highest degree"…Or a person raised from the dead might be
regarded as a divinity; for the word God is not always used in the strict doctrinal
sense" (Concessions of Trinitarians, pp. 23-25, cited here)
RESPONSE:
First, Michaelis provides us no biblical or contextual data to support his view that
the disciples couldn’t have made such a confession. Why couldn’t the disciples
have come to the conclusion that Jesus was their Lord and God especially when they had
personally witnessed and heard the claims made by and about Christ, some of which include:
"And this was why the Jews persecuted Jesus, because he did this on the sabbath.
But Jesus answered them, ‘My Father is working still, and I am working.’ This
was why the Jews sought all the more to kill him, because he not only broke the sabbath
but also called God his Father, making himself equal with God." John 5:16-18
"‘Your father Abraham rejoiced that he was to see my day; he saw it and was
glad.’ The Jews then said to him, ‘You are not yet fifty years old, and have you
seen Abraham?’ Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, before
Abraham came into being, I AM.’ So they took up stones to throw at him;
but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple." John 8:56-59
"‘My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me; and I
give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of
my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is
able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.’
The Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, "I have shown you
many good works from the Father; for which of these do you stone me?’ The Jews
answered him, ‘It is not for a good work that we stone you but for blasphemy;
because you, being a man, make yourself God.’" John 10:27-33
If the unbelievers could deduce that Jesus was claiming to be God then why couldn’t
his disciples?
Michaelis is merely begging the question by his assertion that Thomas’ confession
was too high a Christology for the disciples to make at this stage. The only way he can
know what the Apostles were capable of knowing or not knowing is by exegeting the text in
question, not by assuming beforehand what was or wasn’t possible for the believers to
grasp at this point in time.
As noted Evangelical author and scholar Murray J. Harris points out that,
"it is not the passage of time in itself but dramatic events that effect
any deepening or broadening of human thought." (Harris, Jesus As God: The New Testament Use of "Theos" in Reference to Jesus (Paperback) [Baker Academic, July 1998], p. 277)
Moreover, Zawadi has again shown that he doesn’t read his sources carefully since
Michaelis doesn’t deny that the disciples believed in the Deity of Christ, at least
not from what is cited. He simply denies that they recognized his Deity prior to the giving
of the Holy Spirit, which presumably he means before the Day of Pentecost. Note his words
carefully:
… and we have no intimation that they recognized the divine nature of Christ
BEFORE the outpouring of the Holy Spirit…
Thus, even he admits that the disciples believed in the Deity of the Lord Jesus.
Plus even if Thomas was calling Jesustheos,
which is the Greek word for God in the verse (Source) that does not necessarily
mean that Thomas was calling Jesus his God...
RESPONSE:
Note just how incoherent this sounds. Even though Zawadi concedes that Thomas may have
called Jesus God that still doesn’t mean that he was calling Christ his God
despite the fact that the text expressly states that Thomas used the expression "My
God"! If Thomas was addressing Christ in John 20:28 then he was calling Jesus his God
since that is what the text says Thomas said!
Zawadi continues:
Jesus never referred to himself as "God" in the absolute sense, so what
precedent then did Thomas have for calling Jesus "my God"? The Greek language
uses the word theos, ("God" or "god") with a broader meaning
than is customary today. In the Greek language and in the culture of the day,
"GOD" (all early manuscripts of the Bible were written in all capital letters)
was a descriptive title applied to a range of authorities, including the Roman governor
(Acts 12:22), and even the Devil(2 Cor. 4:4).
It was used of someone with divine authority. It was not limited to its absolute sense as
a personal name for the supreme Deity as we use it today. (Source)
RESPONSE:
First, Zawadi’s source doesn’t deny that Jesus referred to himself as God,
but merely denies that he didn’t claim to be God in the absolute sense. This
presupposes that Christ did claim to be God, albeit in a more restricted or relative
sense. But this refutes Zawadi since he has been trying to deny that Christ claimed to be
God in any sense whatsoever!
Second, none of the examples use Theos in the same sense that the NT uses it for
Christ. Note, for example, the contexts of Acts 12:22:
"Now Herod was angry with the people of Tyre and Sidon; and they came to him in a
body, and having persuaded Blastus, the king's chamberlain, they asked for peace, because
their country depended on the king's country for food. On an appointed day Herod put on
his royal robes, took his seat upon the throne, and made an oration to them. And the
people shouted, ‘The voice of a god, and not of man!’ Immediately an angel
of the Lord smote him, because he did not give God the glory; and he was eaten by worms
and died.’" Acts 12:20-23
God strikes Herod dead for permitting the people to proclaim his divinity! This
actually provides further support of what I had originally said regarding God raising
Christ from the dead. I noted that the Father would not have raised Christ from the dead
if he had been a blasphemer and not God in essence.
Regarding 2 Corinthians 4:4 it is not at all certain that this is referring to Satan.
Let us quote the passage, and its surrounding context, and see what we can glean from it:
"Therefore, having this ministry by the mercy of God, we do not lose heart. We
have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways; we refuse to practice cunning or to tamper
with God’s (tou Theou) word, but by the open statement of the truth we would
commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God (tou Theou). And
even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing. In their case
the god (ho Theos) of this world (or age - aionos) has blinded the minds of the
unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who
is the likeness of God (tou Theou). For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus
Christ as Lord, with ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake. For it is the God (ho
Theos) who said, ‘Let light shine out of darkness,’ who has shone in our
hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God (tou Theou) in the
face of Christ. But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, to show that the transcendent
power belongs to God (to Theou) and not to us." 2 Corinthians 4:1-7
The several uses of the noun Theos points in the direction that Paul has
the same exact referent in view, which in this case would be the Father. There are other
reasons for seeing the Father as the God who has blinded the mind of the unbelievers.
For instance, the Scriptures teach that the Lord Jesus actively rules over this age,
and the age to come:
"which he accomplished in Christ when he raised him from the dead and made him sit
at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and
dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age (aioni) but also in
that which is to come; and he has put all things under his feet and has made him the
head over all things for the church, which is his body, the fulness of him who fills all
in all." Ephesians 1:20-23
The Holy Bible also teaches that as a result of a person’s stubbornness and
refusal to accept the light that has been given to him or her God will take away
the little ability he or she may have for seeing and believing:
"And he said, ‘Go, and say to this people: "Hear and hear, but do
not understand; see and see, but do not perceive." Make the heart of this
people fat, and their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and
hear with their ears, and understand with their hearts, and turn and be
healed.’" Isaiah 6:9-10
"And he said, ‘He who has ears to hear, let him hear.’ And when he was
alone, those who were about him with the twelve asked him concerning the parables. And he
said to them, ‘To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those
outside everything is in parables; so that they may indeed see but not perceive,
and may indeed hear but not understand; lest they should turn again, and be
forgiven’ … And he said to them, ‘Take heed what you hear; the
measure you give will be the measure you get, and still more will be given you. For to him
who has will more be given; and from him who has not, even what he has will be taken
away.’" Mark 4:9-12, 24-25
"Jesus said, ‘For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see
may see, and that those who see may become blind.’ Some of the Pharisees near
him heard this, and they said to him, ‘Are we also blind?’ Jesus said to them,
‘If you were blind, you would have no guilt; but now that you say, "We
see," your guilt remains.’" John 9:39-41
"When they had appointed a day for him, they came to him at his lodging in great
numbers. And he expounded the matter to them from morning till evening, testifying to the
kingdom of God and trying to convince them about Jesus both from the law of Moses and from
the prophets. And some were convinced by what he said, while others disbelieved. So, as
they disagreed among themselves, they departed, after Paul had made one statement:
‘The Holy Spirit was right in saying to your fathers through Isaiah the prophet:
"Go to this people, and say, You shall indeed hear but never understand, and you
shall indeed see but never perceive. For this people's heart has grown dull, and their
ears are heavy of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest they should perceive
with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and turn for
me to heal them." Let it be known to you then that this salvation of God has been
sent to the Gentiles; they will listen.’" Acts 28:23-28
"I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! I myself am an Israelite,
a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected his
people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the scripture says of Eli'jah, how he pleads
with God against Israel? ‘Lord, they have killed thy prophets, they have demolished
thy altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life.’ But what is God's reply to
him? ‘I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to
Ba'al.’ So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. But if it is
by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
What then? Israel failed to obtain what it sought. The elect obtained it, but the rest
were hardened, as it is written, ‘God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that
should not see and ears that should not hear, down to this very day.’ And David
says, ‘Let their table become a snare and a trap, a pitfall and a retribution for
them; let their eyes be darkened so that they cannot see, and bend their backs for
ever.’" Romans 11:1-10
Thus, what Paul is actually saying is that the God of this age, who is the Father of
our Lord Jesus Christ, has blinded the mind of the unbelievers as a consequence of their
sinful rebellion against the God who has clearly revealed his truth to them. This is a
point which Paul reiterates elsewhere:
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and
wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth. For what can be known about
God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them
. Ever since the creation of the
world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly
perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse; for although they
knew God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in
their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they
became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man
or birds or animals or reptiles. Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their
hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they
exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than
the Creator, who is blessed for ever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to
dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the
men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one
another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due
penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave
them up to a base mind and to improper conduct." Romans 1:18-28
"The coming of the lawless one by the activity of Satan will be with all power and
with pretended signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are to
perish, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends
upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false, so that all may be
condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
The Old Testament backs up Paul on this point:
"But my people did not listen to my voice; Israel would have none of me. So I
gave them over to their stubborn hearts, to follow their own counsels." Psalm 81:11-12
"O LORD, why dost thoumake us err from thy ways and harden our heart,
so that we fear thee not? Return for the sake of thy servants, the tribes of thy
heritage." Isaiah 63:17
"And I said to their children in the wilderness, Do not walk in the statutes of
your fathers, nor observe their ordinances, nor defile yourselves with their idols. I the
LORD am your God; walk in my statutes, and be careful to observe my ordinances, and hallow
my sabbaths that they may be a sign between me and you, that you may know that I the LORD
am your God. But the children rebelled against me; they did not walk in my statutes,
and were not careful to observe my ordinances, by whose observance man shall live; they
profaned my sabbaths. Then I thought I would pour out my wrath upon them and spend my
anger against them in the wilderness. But I withheld my hand, and acted for the sake of my
name, that it should not be profaned in the sight of the nations, in whose sight I had
brought them out. Moreover I swore to them in the wilderness that I would scatter them
among the nations and disperse them through the countries, because they had not
executed my ordinances, but had rejected my statutes and profaned my sabbaths, and their
eyes were set on their fathers' idols. Moreover I gave them statutes that were not good
and ordinances by which they could not have life; and I defiled them through their
very gifts in making them offer by fire all their first-born, that I might horrify them;
I did it that they might know that I am the LORD." Ezekiel 20:18-26
In light of the foregoing, appealing to 2 Corinthians 4:4 is misplaced since this
isn’t calling a creature god, but is referring to the Father as the God of this age.
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